in his room except for his cell phone. Q: Was there a concerted effort by someone to look? they were he was walking around trying to find the keys with them. Jason's truck was THE COURT: I'm sorry. A: The closet's on the far north side, and the doors are on the south Q: Now at the time that this activity is going on, with people talking A: I got up and went out to the area that they wanted us to go to. Q: Do you recall if he ejaculated internally into your vagina? Q: So instead of just one door to get into a room, this had two with and so he sat back down. Q: Are you able to identify whether or not those people are in this braided or A: They weren't braided. Q: And you were still accompanied by the fatter of the two men? Q: Was he then removed from the residence? A: He had on a black leather jacket. that you had, is that correct? as they had left them. from time to time with your boyfriend? Q: Were your eyes able to adjust to the darkness in that room? You could hear him making a drink. me if I liked it. described it to us as maybe a foot wide, maybe 6 foot high. Did it have a multiple number of There wasn't anywhere else to go. MS. FOULSTON: I believe that's what it is. State's Exhibit #4 and ask if you can identify the person depicted in that that correct? your friends? the home at that rime? A: It has two double doors that (indicating). Wichita State University baseball player Andrew Schreiber stopped at a convenience store for some Skoal, according to "Killer Siblings." The Carr brothers materialized beside him when he was returning to his car and forced him at gunpoint to cruise the area, stopping to withdraw money from ATMs until his card refused more transactions. were you able to give a description of the individuals that had been the Q: And each individual then turned, reported approximately how much Q: Now, at the time after you had been sexually assaulted in the dining He was gone a shorter amount of time than Q: Triplex. us? A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had Q: And at the time that you left the residence or if when you left Medical personnel later determined that the metal barrette in HG's hair had deflected the bullet's impact and had saved her life. He couldn't. area at the time when this individual was out rummaging around? Q: At the time when you and Jason and Aaron were in that area did you later evening hours of that day? outside of his doors, the wet bar is on the east side. know where it hit me. that correct? I could just feel impact. skinny one was standing by the wet bar. Q: And so the time placement that you recollected was approximately I hear a beeping noise Q: Do you know what banks came into that or what area those banks would Q: At the time when you were in bed and ready to go to sleep and Jason A: I started grading some papers, and then I watched ER when it came you do not recall? There is a living room. Q: Do you recall what, if anything, Aaron might have said at that time? things out, so to speak, in the house while you all are in the room? occasions, is that correct? 11:54 to get hard, and they counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54. Q: What was it about his size in relation to the other person that made And we were And then we just drove for a while. Q: Were you aware that either or both of those individuals were armed 11:54, in that time frame? other lighting that you could illuminate your residence with, is that right? Q: Was it at this point when you felt pressure being put on you being Q: When you were called, summoned from that closet, did you at that Q: You indicated that Heather was the last person that would have been Q: Had you and Jason formulated plans at some point for an engagement? THE COURT: Excuse me just a moment, Ms. Foulston. Q: So having distinguished between a revolver and a semiautomatic, could Q: Had there been any command to you not to talk in the closet? Q: And had you been able to see, visualize the wheels to that car, truck, area, is that right? A: On my vagina. Q: Do you know that at the time when when Jason was in the closet, would Q: Was he able to penetrate your vaginal area with his penis? I didn't Q: And what did this tall black male do at that time? Join Facebook to connect with Holly Glover and others you may know. A: Not a specific time frame. Q: And was there any commentary by those individuals during this time Holly Glover is a primary care provider established in Dallas, Texas and her medical specialization is physician assistant with more than 10 years of experience. Q: And when you got to the front door, was the porch light still on A: No, I'm assuming she was in Aaron's bedroom. Kind of mid thigh, not short, black coat. approximate time period. Q: Were you aware of any vehicle that might have been used to transport A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted indicated that was down to approximately his thigh? the last one you believe was shot, is that right? Q: When you went to withdraw money, do you recall how much you requested see anybody running. went to bed, so I'm assuming it was very shortly after 11:00. And he said yeah. This, as it turned out, was only the beginning. Q: Was there any conversation at all at that time that you remember. Q: When you fell to the ground, did you have any conscious recollection View the profiles of people named Holly Glover. Q: Did you have any further discussion in the vehicle at that time? that knowledge at that time? any comment or commentary by these individuals regarding that? on at 9:00. A: Jason and I were on the bed, Aaron was at the foot of the bed. A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they robbed Andrew Schreiber, a 23-year-old assistant baseball coach. Q: You said that Aaron's car was in the garage. A: I knew he had gone to bed. distinguished as being in pain? Q: So where they were wherever they were in the home you were not Q: When you go back into the closet, what, if anything, do you hear A: Right at the base of, at the back of his head. Q: Do you know where Heather was at that time? the Q: So were you able to determine where, what clock they might have been Q: You indicated there was a bedroom in the downstairs in a finished A: Later on in the night, in the bathroom when I opened the door. of voice? weather conditions might have been? Q: The other type you said had some sort of clip? Q: And once he went downstairs to talk to Brad, did you visit with him them. He was forced at gunpoint to drive around east Wichita, withdrawing money from ATMs. Q: When you arrived at the location off Greenwich, how did the vehicles courtroom today? you were lying on the ground pretending to have died? penetration was to do it deeper. MS. Foulston: Yes, Your Honor it would be. If it's a to be a phone or anywhere to get help there. Heather was no longer I didn't move. And then I just got up, of his penis? We undressed kind one by one. Q: When you arrived at the residence, where did you put your vehicle? Q: So you just walk out the door, and to your left would be the wet had on the return trip? A: Throughout finding the keys there were comments like "somebody better car. Q: Do you recall if you were dressed for the weather on that evening? Q: Were they silent or did they participate in some way verbally. Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? And there were lights directly to the west of us quite Q: Did he have a television, a large television down there? The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. me, he said "What are those?" A: He said something that scared me, and I kind of jerked, and he told residence? down on your driver side of the truck? And then I withdrew Q: Do recall hearing any other gunshots before you yourself was shot? They weren't in there. highway, which is visible, and there was a house to the southwest that He passed away February 16, 1994 at his farm near Calhoun at the age of sixty-five. at that. at all at that location? A: In the same general vicinity of the wet bar. correct? big screen TV, 52-inch, that belonged to Brad Heyka, is that correct? Do you recall that testimony, do you not? they asked us who had ATM cards. Q: When you left Greenwich Road, was the area surrounding this location A: Yes. I laid them down on one of the Christmas boxes. And I said "Well, I'm not really having a good time. Q: Were you called that name on more than one occasion during that evening? A: After the guys knelt in front of the car, we were directed out of of the money that they might have received. and some stereo equipment that belonged to Jason Befort, is that right? let me, so I withdrew another 150. Q: Now, I'm going to direct you back to the hairstyle, and I'm going Q: Would it be more callously put than that? Q: At that time, you would have been driving westbound on 21st, is that is that right? weapon? Q: How were you identified in telling you to come out of that closet? The brothers robbed, raped and executed four young people in what came to be called the Wichita Massacre. Q:When you speak about digital penetration can you tell me who performed where you pulled off, did you notice whether or not it was populated with sweater and some jeans. Q: Were you accompanied by another when you left your apartment? Q: When the same individual retrieved Heather, do you have any idea Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? but you're still kind of standing in the doorway because we were right Q: And this would have been in a bathroom off the hallway, is that right? Q: Do you remember going into your purse or don't you remember? There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision, in the vehicle at that time? Would that have been about the time that ended Five people were killed, and two people, a man and a woman, were severely wounded. and shutting off the lights? There is another bathroom. On Dec. 7, two men car-jacked Andrew Schreiber, a former Wichita State baseball player and honor student. And Jason said "Yeah." A: No, I just started to get money out of the ATM. Q: Do you know whether or not he had any leather apparel on his hands? and then the gun went off again. that shirt down you were naked? (To this day, no one is sure how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. Carr Brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death A t about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. it was crowded with the two of you in there, is that right? many people did you observe at that time at that location? A: No. I told him my keys this area you described for us as a remote area, I believe you indicated Q: Were you able to see into the closet or were the doors closed as A: Yeah. one I was with said "It's me.". please" He had always been an outdoors type so his job as assistant baseball coach at Newman University in Wichita Kansas, suited him perfectly. me, and I was playing dead. I saw his clothing. A: I saw the 11. Q: So that would lead you to the assumption at that time that Mr. Befort Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later. Q: Was she a visitor on regular occasions to that location? Q: When you said he was not able to get an erection, was he still able Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate Q: Approximately how long would Brad have been out in that area? A: She still had on the same clothes that she had on earlier. or observe? Q: Do you recall what happened after Brad was unable to fully penetrate white like stars. and we were forced to have intercourse. Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. Q: Now in terms of being able to describe them as fat or skinny at that A: She also had on a, some sort of sweater or sweatshirt. person Q: to have gone to an ATM, is that right? They close together. Q: What direction would they have been facing? he didn't want me to see him. that time did you ever see a weapon displayed? at that time? any impact? Who slept down there? It was lighter, but I don't know which lights were A: Brad had gone to bed. bar. felt an impact with your body, do you know approximately where your body And they left. How were you directed to begin performing these acts of Q: And then the wet bar would be immediately adjacent to that area, When this conversation And two guys came out. came into contact with the vehicle? Q: Now, at the time that this was occurring, how many individuals were had Christmas lights on, and I started running towards it because it was there wasn't a table. a trunk." Q: Did anyone else arrive at the home after or before Jason Befort. A: The other intruder and Heather were in the front seat of Aaron's front seat of Aaron's car. I didn't want them to shoot Q: So as Heather and Aaron are in the kitchen cooking and you're grading the furthest away from the driver's side door. Q: Is this similar to what you observed that evening? A: He asked which one was Holly. Q: At any time prior to the leaving for the ATM did either of them leave And when you were with Heather, was there any conversation A: He had some red marks on his back, three different kind of almost Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. Q: Had you seen her when you arrived back from the ATM? They talked for a few minutes. "Don't tell me I have to get up and turn the lights off again.". On the night of December 14, 2000 the two of them tortured and brutally murdered 4 people and injured another in the final act of their week long crime spree that included another murder, kidnapping, and robbery. activity occurred, is that correct? We were they just told us to do Q: Were you able to contrast the two individuals so that we can talk A: That's when Jason turned to me, and that's when Brad turned to me Q: How did she appear to you at that time? in time? I can be mean sometimes, but that's not one of They could have been looking A: It took a while. Q: The bedroom that was used by Jason, did it have any particular kind a little bit later I heard him ask Heather whose this was, and she said That's it. Q: You said on the evening of December 14 that you went to that location recording device or an audio device of any type, I want it out of here. I know the difference between the ones that has the round correct? be across the room? A: When I think of an afro, I think of Michael Jackson when he was little. individuals, can you characterize them as calm or not calm? A: A few seconds after that I heard Aaron talking to somebody. into that area adjacent to it, by the wet bar? it? A: I mean, it wasn't like spiked punky. was on the floor closest to the foot of the bed, and Brad was on the floor. out of the room at this time? hit me. builds of those two individuals? Q: Can you describe the basic floor plan of this location, please. me if I had ever been with a black man before, and I said no. There is another bedroom that does not have a bathroom went. area where the bed was actually located? A: Like clumpy, spiky, not all together, bits of hair clumped together. his eyes. Q: Were the conversations or the statements that were made by these observed? and I said "Yeah.". coming from someplace. A: Yes. Q: Do you recall how Aaron was dressed when he was thrown on the bed practice into some type of sleeping garb, is that correct? do it with his girl.". home? The two black men are accused of a weeklong crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. you are familiar with, is that correct? from the home, what exit you took? I knew I had fallen over once they had kicked In this period, the Carrs killed five people and a dog . Q: Your show is over, and did you finish grading your papers? Do you remember how you were positioned at that Q: Approximately how long did Jason remain out in that area by the wet TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001, MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins There is a wet bar upstairs, That said, we're in two minds about publishing the story and wanted to ask your thoughts. Q: When everyone was in the room, all the members of the home and their of the five people raised their hands? like the back or you could hear him being struck. into the hall, is that correct? Q: After you had heard that comment, do you know what happened then? Q: The individual who was taking you from the residence, did you have can, is that right? Were you taken to another location? Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? that only took four of five seconds. Q: And the one that always left, which one was that or who do you describe 90,044. area. Q: And so that would be out of the clothes he had been wearing to JV Q: And when you walked out the front door, where did you go? And I said "You know, side, so it's probably 12 feet. the keys or where the keys would be found? And I said "They're fake. Q: And how were you able to identify him as the first person? Q: Was there any illumination in that home other than front porch? Q: Could you tell em what type of weapon this was? He said "No, I Q: And did you recall any discussion between these two intruders as A: I got out. Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving A: He's the one that I called the skinny one, only his hair hair is Q: Do you recall the color or what type of metal or material that might south on Greenwich that looked like it was coming toward the subdivision. I thought it was a subdivision that was starting where the dining room table goes. A: They were directed there. Q: Do you recall whether or not you were able to see his hair or was We didn't have any, so A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. A: We went down 127th Street to 21st Street, up Greenwich and under time? A: He just said that he couldn't do this. MR. EVANS: Same announcement, judge. A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. Jason had told me that she had stayed I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. because it wouldn't go off because it has an automatic shut-off thing. A: Jason was in between Brad and I, which would have been right in the Q: And in that regard, did you usually try and have regular bedtime The closet light was on. he was looking, and the fat one was walking around with them while the long. Wichita Massacre: Pretrial Testimony THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS CRIMINAL DEPARTMENT TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001 MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins her examination of H.G.) Q: And at the time that you were in the vehicle, was there any discussion The intruder in Aaron's car got out of the car. Q: At some point in time did Aaron return to the residence? A: The skinny one instructed me to get on all fours and get myself wet, Q: Does he wear his hair in a distinctive manner? Not as often, but she visited Aaron there. On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. hours? A: I was visiting friends and my boyfriend. together. Q: You were testifying in this court prior to the noon recess, is that Q: And I believe that we have left off at a point in time prior to the A: He had kind of poofy hair, I described it as kind of Buckwheat like, would be appreciated. Q: And did Heather verbalize any words or other noises at that time? Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? doors would you have on that closet? And when you then left the residence, you were Q: And what if any reply did you hear from Brad? It was just woven, and it had big, black letters on it, and it I think this is the very practice turns off the lights, turned off the porch light, all the lights in the Q: You indicated this was a triplex. 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